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24 September 2004 @ 07:26 pm
Someone asked: What are the chances Griss will get his shit together and get with Sara this season??  
To be precise it was nwalmaer98 who asked the question in her lj.

Originally, I was going to write this in a comment. But it is bad form to rant in a comment, especially, if you have an unpopular opinion.

I think, Grissom is too inept to ever get it on with Sara. He behaves around her like a clueless bride at the wedding night [wrong gender, I know, but it fits]. His womanizing qualities from season 1 got lost along with the anthropologist. If there were something to happen between them, then Sara would have to initiate it. With any other man, I could picture Sara doing that with a lot of men, but not with Grissom on that show. I just can't see it happen and working on that show. Call it a lack of imagination. I mean, I know that she has already tried and only gotten burned by the man. He can't let her wait forever, he's not getting younger or hotter for that matter( IMHO). But then I never found WP hot to start with. The end of the fourth season didn't make me happy, it reminded me of those awful hurt/comfort fics that plague the Stargate SG1 fandom. (And I actually love h/c, but there is much badfic). To me Sara's drinking problem seemed to drop a bit suddenly from the sky (and no, obsessively munching on cough drops is no indication, I and a million other people do that because they love the sweet taste) and it felt like the writers were thinking: "Let's give Sara a drinking problem, so she and Grissom can have a nice comfort scene, that'll make the 'shippers happy. Plus, we'll get a cliffhanger out off it."

I don't think there will ever be more than slightly crappy innuendo on the show. If I want to see good innuendo, I watch WaT S1.

My apologies for the slightly anti-CSI commentary, it is just my opinion and everyone is free to have one of those. I realize, I found most of my flist over CSI. But when I rewatched S4 recently, it was like watching a trainwreck. I couldn't look away, but I also couldn't not ask myself why I ever made myself watch this show and even archive it. It's not a bad bad show. I watch bad shows like MacGyver, Charmed and M7. These are bad shows with entertainment value, but no way that is good TV. CSI isn't that kind of bad. CSI has a good idea and mostly at least semi-reasonable cases backing it up. The science is abbreviated but one can suspended disbelief over that. The characters are a bit cardboardy. Nick, Warrick, Greg and Brass have a two sentence personalities. The promotion thread was about the only character development we got for Nick and Sara in ages and it was boring and drawn out, especially sincce it ended in hot air. They are trying for Catherine and that is laudable. And didn't she have an affair with Krycek? At least someone is having sex. Grissom and Sara aren't having any. Not together and not with anyone else either. Grissom has had a quiet life since he nearly went deaf in the previous season. Which wouldn't have been such an issue if he hadn't been such a moron about it and had actually told people and thought about getting treatment earlier. Plus the entire plotlinemn wasn'thandled well, which wasn't Grissom's fault. CSI becomes a bad show by underusing its potential. It used to be a good show. Now, it's formulaic and mediocre with boring/annoying characters. LaO is equally formulaic and about the same entertainment value, but the dialogue seems better, the cases less whacky and the characters aren't as annyong with their drawn out personal storylines that probably lead nowhere. I'm going to watch Crossing Jordan as an alternative crime show this season, although the last season lacked overall coherence since the eps were shown out of order, the characters were interestingly quirky and the cases intriguing but not too whacky.

Now, it's your turn to comment. Comment on what I've written. What do you prophesy for Grissom and Sara? What's your view on CSI these days?
 
 
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potato bags. i can't find my potato bags.: Pin Me Downdindin on September 24th, 2004 06:41 am (UTC)
Honestly, it's not that important to me anymore. I still love the 'ship and love to see it's inner workings, but honestly I doubt they'll ever actually get together ala Sam and Martin. I love the show and I love the ship and that's enough for me. I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over it.
wliberation @ livejournalwliberation on September 24th, 2004 08:18 am (UTC)
Actually, I'm quite with you on that Grissom/Sara thing. It doesn't seem very likely that Grissom would make a move. In fact, I'm not sure he would even respond if Sara did make the first move. Umm... second move. Whatever. But then again, I've never really believed in Grissom/Sara anyway, never seen the chemistry. I've always seen it as just the compulsery relationship that is going to happen because the writers are going to make it happen because "there has to be a couple, goddamnit!" But that's just me.

It's just that... I think the going deft stuff made Grissom... old. I can still see the scene in which he was walking to the surgery. He looked like my grandpa. Just recently, they re-aired the first season around here, and as I saw it... Woah. I nearly dropped off my chair. The contrast was so huge. In the first episodes, Grissom was flirty, playful, relaxed. He was actually a fun guy on some levels. Somewhere along the way he became this closed-in, detached... whatever he is now. Well, what he was when I stopped watching the show, that is, which was awhile ago, so I'm not sure how his character has developed after that.

And, yes, CSI had gone down the last time I watched it. There were still moments, some episodes that really went above the bar, but mostly it was just predictable and silly in a way that's not always good, even a bit naive at times.
nwalmaer98 on September 24th, 2004 09:42 am (UTC)
Why am I excited that my name came up in someone else journal?

Anywho... good points.

"I love the show and I love the ship and that's enough for me. I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over it."

dindin... those two lines remind me why I love you so... :)

I dunno tho how I really feel... I still have my little "I Want To Believe" flag for the 'ship... but as long as the show continues to keep my mind of the massive mess that is my life for an hour... it'll be the best thing on tv to me. Well, other then Alias... which I'm sure I don't just watch because I like the show. ;P

"Grissom is too inept to ever get it on with Sara."

Hey... Grissom's like every guy I've ever had the lovely chance of being attracted to... and very much so the last guy... Mr. I want you but I don't know how to have you. Well, just tell me you asshat... and I'm sure we could have worked it out somehow. Maybe that's why I wish it would work on the show for Sara...

"He looked like my grandpa."

That made me laugh... but I've always had a thing for older men. Since I was a kid... I was 8 and crushin' on David Bowie... I still am come to think of it.
gledster2000gledster2000 on September 25th, 2004 12:58 am (UTC)
I completely agree with you illman. I've never been an ardent Grissom and Sara 'shipper anyway but felt that if there were to be a couple, they should be it. However, the writers at CSI have wasted the characters they have created. To quote wilberation:

"Just recently, they re-aired the first season around here, and as I saw it... Woah. I nearly dropped off my chair. The contrast was so huge. In the first episodes, Grissom was flirty, playful, relaxed. He was actually a fun guy on some levels. Somewhere along the way he became this closed-in, detached... whatever he is now."

The fun Grissom of S1 and S2 MIGHT have gone somewhere with Sara but the Grissom that exists now, all serious and, yes, old, isn't going to. Not only that but it's a waste of a character - where's his love of science gone? His excitment over racing bugs, the tipping off of the pathologists so he can notified whenever something grusome turns up (granted that was there in S4 but not consistent). CSI HAS become formulaic. I agree with you that one only needs to look at WaT S1 to see how characters should be written. Still, despite that I find the cases interesting and will continue to watch for as long as my interest holds.

Another thought - season opener - Catherine on a stripper case, Warrick on a gambling case - lack of originality or what???
Marita: jesuissexmeeta on September 25th, 2004 10:56 am (UTC)
Season 3 was waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than 4, dans my OP.
I just watched the premiere and thought, "oh my word, they're actually going to tell us something about Sara's family, and her past!" but noooooooooooo.
Um, I just was really not that satisfied with the premiere. I thought for once they could have given Catherine a nice relationship instead of all these angsty abusive relationships. And plus it was just really corny. "What do you expect... I own a nightclub..." I felt like I was watching daytime television.
Um, yeah. I'm starting to like Sara, which is, I suppose, a good sign.